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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://blog.gtuhl.com/2008/05/22/zimbra-migration-postmortem/comment-page-1/#comment-3695</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info Andrew - always good to hear more experiences.  Despite the rough migration I ran into myself I am very happy we made the move.  I really appreciate the admin interface and the command line tools are really excellent should anything else need to be done.

We had a bit of the same in terms of the OSX/iPhone/Linux/etc users (including myself) being delighted and the Outlook veterans being less impressed - and the two BB users we have still have issues (iPhone users have none).  The BES connection stuff in Zimbra is most definitely a cludge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info Andrew &#8211; always good to hear more experiences.  Despite the rough migration I ran into myself I am very happy we made the move.  I really appreciate the admin interface and the command line tools are really excellent should anything else need to be done.</p>
<p>We had a bit of the same in terms of the OSX/iPhone/Linux/etc users (including myself) being delighted and the Outlook veterans being less impressed &#8211; and the two BB users we have still have issues (iPhone users have none).  The BES connection stuff in Zimbra is most definitely a cludge.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Crane</title>
		<link>http://blog.gtuhl.com/2008/05/22/zimbra-migration-postmortem/comment-page-1/#comment-3694</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Crane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Atlanta area ZCS convert here.

I recently (10 days ago) migrated a customer&#039;s 50 Exchange 2000 mailboxes from an aging Win 2000 server  to ZCS Network Edition. We took a long, hard look at Exchange 2007 but wanted something that would be OS and browser agnostic.

We decided to use the Zimbra Exchange Migration Wizard and migrate only messages going back three months prior to the migration date. Everything else the users had to archive to Outlook PST files. This turned out to be the worst part of the exercise. The migration itself went well and took about 5 hours - drinking coffee at home and watching it happen via a VPN conection.

The more tech savvy users are delighted and happily synching up their iPhones, Macs, Linux desktops etc. A few, for whom email and Outlook are synonymous, are having a tougher time. I could not make the Zimbra Connector for BES work; it&#039;s a cludge. So out BB users are hooked in via a simple Internet mail connection.

One user, who has 100% vision loss, is using Thunderbird. Her screen reading software could not cope with the Ajax web pages.

I&#039;m now poking around the admin side of Zimbra and like what I see so far. No more worries like: Information Store bloat, or why third party Exchange backup software craps out or, if I kick a domain controller my email server will have a seizure.
Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Atlanta area ZCS convert here.</p>
<p>I recently (10 days ago) migrated a customer&#8217;s 50 Exchange 2000 mailboxes from an aging Win 2000 server  to ZCS Network Edition. We took a long, hard look at Exchange 2007 but wanted something that would be OS and browser agnostic.</p>
<p>We decided to use the Zimbra Exchange Migration Wizard and migrate only messages going back three months prior to the migration date. Everything else the users had to archive to Outlook PST files. This turned out to be the worst part of the exercise. The migration itself went well and took about 5 hours &#8211; drinking coffee at home and watching it happen via a VPN conection.</p>
<p>The more tech savvy users are delighted and happily synching up their iPhones, Macs, Linux desktops etc. A few, for whom email and Outlook are synonymous, are having a tougher time. I could not make the Zimbra Connector for BES work; it&#8217;s a cludge. So out BB users are hooked in via a simple Internet mail connection.</p>
<p>One user, who has 100% vision loss, is using Thunderbird. Her screen reading software could not cope with the Ajax web pages.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now poking around the admin side of Zimbra and like what I see so far. No more worries like: Information Store bloat, or why third party Exchange backup software craps out or, if I kick a domain controller my email server will have a seizure.<br />
Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://blog.gtuhl.com/2008/05/22/zimbra-migration-postmortem/comment-page-1/#comment-3638</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it is worth that was the combo that worked best here.  User exports PST, installs zimbra connector for outlook, then imports their PST. 

We migrated email and contacts with the bulk tool and restored calendars with PST imports in outlook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it is worth that was the combo that worked best here.  User exports PST, installs zimbra connector for outlook, then imports their PST. </p>
<p>We migrated email and contacts with the bulk tool and restored calendars with PST imports in outlook.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
		<link>http://blog.gtuhl.com/2008/05/22/zimbra-migration-postmortem/comment-page-1/#comment-3637</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To &quot;JUst migrated,&quot; which hosting company did you use?

To anyone else, we are using an Exchange host today, I would have to assume that a user creating, then importing their own PST into Zimbra desktop would avoid some of the migration issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;JUst migrated,&#8221; which hosting company did you use?</p>
<p>To anyone else, we are using an Exchange host today, I would have to assume that a user creating, then importing their own PST into Zimbra desktop would avoid some of the migration issues?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://blog.gtuhl.com/2008/05/22/zimbra-migration-postmortem/comment-page-1/#comment-3631</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t disagree on the migration tools side, they are/were really bad.  The only reason it was bearable here is we have a very small user base (only ~12 accounts to migrate).  It was still a bruiser even with that small user count so I imagine doing a larger migration would be a pretty massive headache.

Hopefully you guys are able to sort out the remaining issues, bummer on the bad experience thus far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t disagree on the migration tools side, they are/were really bad.  The only reason it was bearable here is we have a very small user base (only ~12 accounts to migrate).  It was still a bruiser even with that small user count so I imagine doing a larger migration would be a pretty massive headache.</p>
<p>Hopefully you guys are able to sort out the remaining issues, bummer on the bad experience thus far.</p>
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		<title>By: JUst migrated</title>
		<link>http://blog.gtuhl.com/2008/05/22/zimbra-migration-postmortem/comment-page-1/#comment-3630</link>
		<dc:creator>JUst migrated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we just migrated to Zimbra and its been hell on earth. It has taken over a month now and we still are not fully migrated.

This is on the hosted site....

The issues at hand seem to be all related to the horrific migration tool. You would conclude that they never have done an exchange migrations before.  I had to recommend Exmerge to them!!!!

We also keep finding bad things with the hosted environment. For instance, macs do not have access to the GAL. There also is no access to LDAP from the internet.

All in all this has been the worse migration I have been involved with and I have performed over 30 exchange migrations.

I would not have agreed to this as a solution, it was approved by upper management before I was hired.

I give Zimbra a large F!!!!

Mad Network Administrator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we just migrated to Zimbra and its been hell on earth. It has taken over a month now and we still are not fully migrated.</p>
<p>This is on the hosted site&#8230;.</p>
<p>The issues at hand seem to be all related to the horrific migration tool. You would conclude that they never have done an exchange migrations before.  I had to recommend Exmerge to them!!!!</p>
<p>We also keep finding bad things with the hosted environment. For instance, macs do not have access to the GAL. There also is no access to LDAP from the internet.</p>
<p>All in all this has been the worse migration I have been involved with and I have performed over 30 exchange migrations.</p>
<p>I would not have agreed to this as a solution, it was approved by upper management before I was hired.</p>
<p>I give Zimbra a large F!!!!</p>
<p>Mad Network Administrator.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://blog.gtuhl.com/2008/05/22/zimbra-migration-postmortem/comment-page-1/#comment-3616</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey David,

It is going pretty well - glad we made the switch overall.  Though, our environment is probably not typical, only 12 people and mostly all use macbooks and iphones.  Sync with those works great and the caldav support through iCal against Zimbra is very good.  Have 2 users on Outlook and that seems to work very well too.

We have 2 users on blackberries and they have more issues than everyone else combined.  You still need the blackberry server and make it talk to Zimbra with a couple cludges and their calendars just don&#039;t seem to stay in sync.  I suspect it is something Zimbra support can resolve (there are deployments with lots of BB users supposedly) but simply haven&#039;t had time to gather the relevant logs and file a proper ticket.

Upgrades are smooth, have received reasonable assistance when have filed support tickets (had an issue with fs.file-max setting in my OS not sticking so Zimbra would run out of file handles and stop delivering messages), and overall I just really like being able to admin a linux box running components that I understand (postfix, mysql, etc).

If you are a command line person the command line tools that come with Zimbra are pretty excellent, allows automation of just about anything.

In any case, generally a very positive experience but we do have a relatively small deployment here.  Hope that helps.

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey David,</p>
<p>It is going pretty well &#8211; glad we made the switch overall.  Though, our environment is probably not typical, only 12 people and mostly all use macbooks and iphones.  Sync with those works great and the caldav support through iCal against Zimbra is very good.  Have 2 users on Outlook and that seems to work very well too.</p>
<p>We have 2 users on blackberries and they have more issues than everyone else combined.  You still need the blackberry server and make it talk to Zimbra with a couple cludges and their calendars just don&#8217;t seem to stay in sync.  I suspect it is something Zimbra support can resolve (there are deployments with lots of BB users supposedly) but simply haven&#8217;t had time to gather the relevant logs and file a proper ticket.</p>
<p>Upgrades are smooth, have received reasonable assistance when have filed support tickets (had an issue with fs.file-max setting in my OS not sticking so Zimbra would run out of file handles and stop delivering messages), and overall I just really like being able to admin a linux box running components that I understand (postfix, mysql, etc).</p>
<p>If you are a command line person the command line tools that come with Zimbra are pretty excellent, allows automation of just about anything.</p>
<p>In any case, generally a very positive experience but we do have a relatively small deployment here.  Hope that helps.</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blog.gtuhl.com/2008/05/22/zimbra-migration-postmortem/comment-page-1/#comment-3615</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been over six months since  your migration to Zimbra.  How&#039;s it going?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been over six months since  your migration to Zimbra.  How&#8217;s it going?</p>
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